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Offline MD

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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #15 on: 21. November 2019, 20:53:49 PM »
Headgear and herbst are meant for different purposes. Headgear is used to pull the upper molars backwards. Herbst is used to move the lower jaw forwards.
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #16 on: 18. December 2019, 10:41:49 AM »
When I had braces in the 90s my orthodontist was Dr Andrew Haas, pioneer of the expander.  The Haas expander is his legacy.  He was a MEAN old SOB, especially as he got older.  We were definitely afraid of him.  So when I wouldn't wear my headgear that I HATED, he threatened to wire it in. I never saw anyone with permanent headgear but I know it was something he was definitely willing and able to do.  It worked anyway, I wore my headgear in fear of having it wired in 24/7.
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #17 on: 29. June 2020, 16:28:32 PM »
Yes, wiring in headgear is entirely possible. Its never really done though as it is VERY extreme. From what I know vaguely it either involves the use of the rubber bands put onto brackets to hold the archwire in place or the wire is bent back.
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #18 on: 18. July 2020, 02:06:17 AM »
Quote from: MD on 21. November 2019, 20:53:49 PM
Headgear and herbst are meant for different purposes. Headgear is used to pull the upper molars backwards. Herbst is used to move the lower jaw forwards.

And Double Headgear so? the  same?
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #19 on: 18. July 2020, 15:14:41 PM »
Double headgear isn't used anymore.
But if normal headgear pulls the upper molars back, then double headgear adds a facebow for the lower teeth. It will pull the lower molars back.
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #20 on: 18. July 2020, 19:04:41 PM »
The problem with lower headgear is that it puts pressure on your tmj ( = jaw joint)... better to use a lip bumper, if possible.
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #21 on: 19. July 2020, 00:37:29 AM »
Well, if I had to choose again, I prefer need to use a Double Headgear again than a Facemask or a Lip Bumper!!!
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #22 on: 29. July 2020, 09:27:20 AM »
I've gotta wonder whether or not an orthodontist could wire in a patients headgear if the patient requested it. Technically speaking it's very possible to lock a facebow into someone's braces via a number of ways, from using wires to tie parts to the actual braces or just bending the inner bow through the ends of the buccal tubes. Does anyone know if this is something that could be realistically requested? Practicality aside, I mean. 
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #23 on: 29. July 2020, 23:48:03 PM »
Quote from: Tin_Grin8444 on 29. July 2020, 09:27:20 AM
I've gotta wonder whether or not an orthodontist could wire in a patients headgear if the patient requested it. Technically speaking it's very possible to lock a facebow into someone's braces via a number of ways, from using wires to tie parts to the actual braces or just bending the inner bow through the ends of the buccal tubes. Does anyone know if this is something that could be realistically requested? Practicality aside, I mean.

I'm sure it has to be possible to be done somehow, but I don't think an orthodontist would readily agree to do so even upon the request of the patient.
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #24 on: 30. July 2020, 12:38:37 PM »
Quote from: Wired_hg on 29. July 2020, 23:48:03 PM
I'm sure it has to be possible to be done somehow, but I don't think an orthodontist would readily agree to do so even upon the request of the patient.

One can only dream. I gotta wonder if orthodontists read posts on this forum and have a laugh.
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #25 on: 30. July 2020, 17:55:45 PM »
I would like to discover if a female orthodontist maybe would like to wire a double headgear into someone!!
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #26 on: 30. July 2020, 19:52:30 PM »
Quote from: Phoenix.HG on 30. July 2020, 17:55:45 PM
I would like to discover if a female orthodontist maybe would like to wire a double headgear into someone!!
If you (or anyone else) find one, please let me know instantaneously  ;D
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #27 on: 08. August 2020, 14:26:44 PM »
It's always been an interesting topic. Would you wrote out on or not? Interest in braces aside, would you really want to wear it? Have a sibling wear it?

I think you have to look at how braces have developed over time, and think of the things we wouldn't do now. Even full bands would be pretty barbaric in the days of ceramic brackets. Headgear at all seems rare anywhere outside of the Netherlands. Likewise, in 50 years time, will we think drilling little screws into people's gums is a good thing to do?

Does anyone do it now? Almost certainly not. Did anyone do it back in the 60s or 70s? Perhaps some did, or at least it was considered a plausible enough threat to scare people into behaving. I think it might remain one of the great mysteries...
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #28 on: 25. October 2020, 11:26:35 AM »
Don't know if this is relevant, but what is the general consensus welding the facebow in/on? One would have to be a very unruly patient, i'd think at least.
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Re: Headgear Wired In
« Reply #29 on: 16. November 2020, 00:29:48 AM »
Quote from: DemBones on 12. November 2019, 10:50:57 AM
I also know that in some cases "less extreme" patient control can be used.  A small zip-tie around the arch-wire and the facebow keeps it nicely in place, and only mum or dad who has the snips can remove it.  Yes, sadly, I've been there.
did your parent do that often ? during the night ?
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