One of these days you people will figure out not to post links of people in treatment.  Because usually within a few days someone has driven them off the internet.

und die ersten Kooperationen kommen schon in ihre Kommentare...also alles richtig gemacht.

sarah.

At least watch her other videos.

On that note: she apparently has started her treatment more than two years ago, because in one of the first videos
https://dereferer.me/?https://www.tiktok.com/@c.h.e.l.s.e.y_/video/7150700034911423790
there is a timestamp of 2022-10-04 and she said "Braces doin work", implying that she already haas had them for at least some short time.

The fact that, after two years, she still is equipped with a form of headgear seems a bit strange surprising, if you ask me. I always thought that the "heavy hitters" like headgear are used rather early in treatment. However, I do have no medical knowledge. So, if someone could enlighten me?

I completely disagree with bblkk on trhe dental school equipment and implying that j hooks are a lesser form of treatment than a facebow.  Some orthos only use j hooks and the companies that make dental equipment want to have their latest products right in front of those future orthos who will buy what they are familiar with. 

As to silvers questions my experience is 20 years out of date (my youngest daughter) and my personal experience is about 55 years out of date.  That said I spent a lot of time in headgear doing the 14 hours a day thing.  My ortho always wanted me to wear it more, and I was one of his few obedient patients, aided by my parents.  Headgear could not have been more embarassing at the time, you will have to trust me on that and my friends did not even wear theirs when sleeping, yet they ended up with straight teeth. When the issue came up with my daughter  the reqirements of headgear use was down to 8-10 hours a night.  I still hated the thought but her best friend had j hooks so she did  not mind.  That amazed me but she did her entire time with that on every night for the 18 months of treatment. 

With me, a more difficult case with a more adversarial patient, I wanted to know exactly when I could stop wearing the thing.  My ortho tried to convince me, and my parents, that I should keep wearing it, at night only, for the duration.  That did not happen.  A girl I knew in college wore a cervical headgear along with her retainer, the only two bands in her mouth were for the facebow.  My point is the orthos seem to use it for more than just brute force at the beginning but finding patients willing to live with headgear in the first place, then for two to three years of treatment, and then into retention rarely happened 50 years ago, 20 years ago, or now.  Outside of my daughter, I have not seen anyone, at any age wearing headgear in public in 25 years.  If not for people wearing them in videos  and posting, no one would know what they were.  I never did understand why people who would never wear headgear in public will show their headgear to anyone on youtube.

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I would like to have this conversation / discussion OUTSIDE the VIDEO section. Maybe someone could shift it in something
like english / general

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I agree with your opinion,
on the other side I don't think a lot of people who are interested in the headgear read the conversation/discussion. I agree the discussion about a couple of persons who don't get to all kind of weird request to children/adults with comments and/or DM's.

For example "Diego" and his alter ego's, always ask the same question to children. "How old are you", he is doing this all most 20 years for now. Especially in the world we are now living, that's a very inappropriate question to ask to (young) children. Please stop this inappropiate questions and weird requests. And he is also using video's from young children who are wearing a headgear in the past, and makes a fake-account to re-post the video as doing as if he/she has a headgear.

please STOP with commenting, DM's and re-using video's on tiktok, it only works against you (they stop posting video's with headgear, or shut down the account) o. I don't understand why a small amount of people don't get it!